My tax dollars shouldn’t subsidize flag on public grounds

by | June 25, 2015 1:23 pm

Last Updated: June 25, 2015 at 12:31 pm

EDITOR’S NOTE: This letter was sent in response to one published Tuesday, June 22, 2015, on manninglive.com. It may be found by clicking here. The writer of that letter asked to remain anonymous, which The Manning Times granted as she was not calling anyone out by name nor was she writing defamatory statements. The writer of the following letter did not wish to remain anonymous.

I pen this in response to (the letter) on manninglive.com on June 22, 2015.
As you asked, I did read what you had to say. The only thing that you and I agree on is your statement that “Removal of the flag won’t stop racial division.” My intent is not to give you a history lesson regarding the flag being a battle flag of Northern Virginia, nor the fact that it was hoisted above the State House in the 1960s in defiance of the height of the Civil Rights movement.
I need for you, and others of your ilk, to understand that flying that flag on public grounds is offensive to me and countless other South Carolina citizens whose tax dollars support this disgrace.
Feel free to fly it in your yard, your pick-up truck or even between your toes, if you wish, but I don’t want my tax dollars subsidizing flying a flag whose mere presence evokes so much pain and divides South Carolina from progressing.
Is that really too hard for you to understand?

JERRY JOHNSON
Manning
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comments » 16

  1. Comment by p hoover

    June 26, 2015 at 07:43

    Dont let the confederate flag be the last thing to take down.
    Lets see now, there is this memorial in Virginia called the Jefferson Memorial???
    I believe there are hundreds of confederate statues in many states.
    I believe Fort Sumter will have to be dismantled as it was
    where all of this started and it wasnt about race. Race is not what started the civil war. I wonder who is teaching history?

  2. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    June 26, 2015 at 21:52

    Mr. P Hoover, for now I will be satisfied with the Confederate flag being taken down from SC’s statehouse grounds. I don’t believe that the taxes that I pay weekly to SC goes to support the Jefferson Memorial nor the many other statues that you mention. After all of the historical events of this week do you not see that bigotry is a dying cause? You will eventually see that like the Confederate forebears, you will be on the wrong side of history.

  3. Comment by Tripp Floyd

    June 26, 2015 at 22:15

    Mr. Johnson lets get something straight before we continue to argue over the flag. The flag that is on the pole next to the Confederate Memorial is not a “Confederate” flag that represents the Confederate States of America. It is the flag of The Army of Northern Virginia. That flag represents many of the Regiments that fought within that main body, including many South Carolina Regiments. The sole purpose of that flag is and always has been to recognize those individual soldiers white, black, jewish ,and many other races that died in that conflict. I’m sorry if that flag offends people, but that is not the flag’s fault nor the purpose of that flag flying on that pole. Deflecting from the tragedy that occurred in Charleston by using the flag is gross tragedy in itself. There is no doubt that racism still exists in many people, but the flag on the pole is not the reason for it. Evil will find a way to attach itself to object and cause people to blame the object instead of evil. I encourage you, if you really want to dig deep and find some history that would shock you, I would love to meet and have a debate over these issues.

  4. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    June 26, 2015 at 22:36

    I accept your offer of a debate, kind Sir, because I believe that you are ill equipped to debate me on this matter. If you read my original post, I already called it the battle flag of Northern VA. I do not consider our banter an arguement but rather dialogue between two people with opposing views. There are now multi-national corporations and Southern states with deep rooted, racially divisive historical pasts that realize that the flag only divides us and should be relegated to a museum. Do you not think that your way of thinking is from a by gone era?

  5. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    June 27, 2015 at 20:31

    What happened Mr P Hoover and Mr Tripp Floyd; no longer interested in a lively debate. The former had the gall to say that this all started with the firing on Ft. Sumter. I beg the differ. I offer that it started hundreds of years before that when your ancestors were sitting under a live oak, drinking mint julep and concocted the greatest atrocity known to man. Through trickery, deception and brute force you captured an untold amount of proud Africans and compelled them to freely pick the cotton that you were to lazy to pick.
    Mr. Floyd, my offer to debate you still stands. Before you accept, be aware that I do not view you as a formidable challenger. Are you even aware that in your post you listed “white, black and Jewish” as races. I would have thought that “Jewish” would have been covered by the “white” umbrella. Silly me, all this time I believed that Judiasm was a religion and not a race.
    “All men are created equal”, forty acres and a mule, counting a full grown black man as1/5 of a man for census purposes, separate but equal, Jim Crow – let me know when you want me to stop. If you wish, I could connect all of these ideologies to that same flag; which has the potential to have your son mistakenly believe that he is superior to my son. If you are still interested, we could debate publicly – we could have The Manning Times moderate.

  6. Comment by Jack Bowers

    June 29, 2015 at 23:08

    Just how much of my SC taxes goes towards the flag at the State house? You do realize that one of the first slave owners in the Americas was black? Check out Anthony Johnson 1600 to 1680 or so. Africans were sold as slaves to the Portuguese by other African tribes, so we had as much to do with slavery as the Whites did. It kills me the way my brothers leave out facts so they can remain the victim and make the rest of us look stupid, come on Jerry, the entire world knows these facts. Get with the program and be proud that you are here and not in Sudan or Darfur. By the way, if that flag is the only thing that you have to worry about then you need to crawl back under that rock.

  7. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    June 30, 2015 at 12:41

    Poor, misguided Mr. Bowers. You do not need me or anyone else to make you look stupid; you’re doing just fine with your post. If you could care less that your tax dollar supports flying the flag over the state house; then God Bless. It just so happens that, as a matter of principle, I do.
    In regard to leaving out facts, I nor you will ever have the time or space in these columns to list every fact regarding the “peculiar institution”. As I, it appears that you mentioned the ones that are more important to you. I don’t care if the very first (you noted one of the first) and/or the very last slave owner was black. There is no way that you are going to be able to dress up and put lipstick on the pig that was Slavery. Believe it or not, but in 2015 you could find a parent somewhere that would sell their child if it fits whatever their illogical agenda is.
    Any particular reason that you chose Sudan and Darfur for me as an option to be living in if I was not here? There are countless other places all across the globe that maybe I could have been – some thriving and others are not. Since I am here, I will continue to voice my opinion regarding injustices past and present. You may want to find your own rock; because as you accuse of me, the only thing that you seem to be concerned about is the flag as well. Interesting dialogue with you,though.

  8. Comment by Jessie Laweon

    June 30, 2015 at 13:41

    Now that was not a part of your first post. All this mattered when you were pointing fingers at the white folks. Now you seem to remember some facts.

  9. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    June 30, 2015 at 14:01

    Mr or Mrs Laweon, I apoligize for not being able to give you a response. After reading your post I could only reply, “Huh ???”; because I really don’t get it.

  10. Comment by Jack Bowers

    June 30, 2015 at 16:04

    Mr Johnson,
    Just to remind you of what you said to the gentlemen in your first post ” I beg the differ. I offer that it started hundreds of years before that when your ancestors were sitting under a live oak, drinking mint julep and concocted the greatest atrocity known to man.” Now with that said, we ALL must either accept responsibility for slavery or admit that none of us here today had anything to do with it. To be free of the chains we must except the true past. My parents moved here from Nigeria over 50 years ago. They were members of the Baka tribe which had no dealings with the slave trade and the only dealings that I have had with racism was from lite skin blacks that constantly tell me that I’m too black. That is why I can’t stand people crying race. By the way your comments are very raciest and have no validity. Please tell where you got the information on the tax dollars spent on the upkeep of the Confederate flag, I would like to see it and if it is different from what I think it is you will have earned some of our support, otherwise we will just believe that your making up this argument.

  11. Comment by Jack Bowers

    June 30, 2015 at 17:09

    Not having time for debate!!!! You just shot down the other two gentlemen for not having time. I chose Sudan and Darfur as examples of places that slavery is going on, I could have easily listed the entire East Coast of Africa much of Eastern Europe, Russia and my home country of Nigeria where just last year 212 young girls were taken into Chad and sold to the slave industry and we were asked to help find them and President Obama turned his nose to help Egypt.

  12. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    June 30, 2015 at 17:15

    Mr. Bowers, very civil response, Sir. You will not get an argument from me regarding Blacks selling other Blacks during the slave trade. I will accept your latter premise that none of us here today had anything to do with it. I accepted the true past a long time ago when I dedicated a large part of my life studying and understanding our sordid history. I’m sure that your parents made a wise choice in moving here from Nigeria over 50 years ago. There are untold numbers of Africans who were moved here long before that; and they would have wished to remain where they were. History is what history is.
    I was born here over 50 years ago and my complexion is so dark that I have been mistaken for an original African. My experience with racism includes the taunts from light skinned blacks as well but goes further than fellow Blacks only.
    Surely, you are aware that the flag is hoisted above the SC state house grounds and maintained by groundskeepers who are employed using public funds. As a SC tax payer, my tax dollars are pooled with others to make up this fund and all other goods and services provided by the state. That point should have been the easiest one to follow.

  13. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    June 30, 2015 at 17:36

    Come, now Mr. Bowers, obviously you and I were typing at the same time and I didn’t see your reply until afrt I sent my post. I, Sir could arggu that there is an unhealthy slave trade right here in the good ‘ole USA now. One of our local TV stations actually did a report on it a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, in the art of debating your stance is referred to as a diversion. I have to log off now because I have an hour drive ahead of me. We could continue later because I could do this all day

  14. Comment by Jack Bowers

    June 30, 2015 at 18:23

    Have a safe trip jerry, I will talk to you tomorrow.

  15. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    June 30, 2015 at 20:14

    Thank You, my friend, Jack and I indeed made it home safe and sound. During my commute, I pondered and came to the conclusion that this is truly an amazing country where we reside. I’m sure that you have heard of the practice of “Divide and Conquer”. Here you and I are; 2 dark skinned black men of African heritage debating slavery and whether the so called Confederate flag needs to come down from where it is publicly displayed. That flag has always and continues to divide men of noble conviction – the latest of which was opposing factions fist-fighting on the state house grounds on yesterday.
    Although our discourse may have had entertainment value, neither of our positions are advanced with our current dialogue. With that being said, I extend an olive branch and propose that we agree to disagree.
    Be careful now, my friend Jack! You can’t send a pussycat to wake up a lion and I’m a fully awoke lion that could defend my position with vigor. I am not, by any means, conceding defeat but rather acknowledging that you and I should not be engaging in Divide and Conquer. Take Care, my friend; and wishing you the best with You and Yours!

  16. Comment by Jerry Johnson

    July 1, 2015 at 21:41

    Bottom of the evening my friend Jack. Are you still plugged up and engaged, My Friend? My sincere intention was to nudge you this morning, with “Top of the morning my friend Jack”. I got sidetracked because I have this little ole multi-million dollar operation that I have to “oversee”. Being a student and proponent of the particular institution and it’s devisive relics, surely you can understand that concept.
    Relax Jack! I promise that I’m just ribbing you and figured that I would get in a final jab.
    The real reason for this post is to further extend the olive branch that I offered on last night. I am an executive by position, mathematician by education and history buff by passion. I am well-versed, well-spoken and well-traveled. To that end, I do find you to be a rather interested read. I propose that we continue our discourse; off line. If you are interested, send a reply and I will provide a personal e-mail so that we could connect.
    Finishing my sentiment from last night, and I’m confident that you are already aware of this; but you have to send a lion to wake up a lion!
    Peace Be Upon You! (That is until we meet and I will rip you a new one! Relax Jack – just kidding again. Hope to hear back from you.). Good night, My Friend,


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